Colonial Chrome

Well I guess this response is warranted, but I was hoping to avoid it by asking for a non-game-related deckplan fit into the hull of this ship.

Before I go I would like to know just what about my request warranted in immediate "No". Im not trying to step on anyone's toes or anything, and I understand your position on game ships. Im just really curious to see what you could do with this ship... Ignoring all connections to the game. Hell, if it makes you feel better, change the name, make it a courier or something... I really dont care... Im just interested to put a deckplan to the void I have inside the exterior walls of my model.

Anyhow, This is your site, and the ships you choose to deckplan are done by your choice, so if you still feel this way, then I suppose that ends this right here.

Diji

Is there some confusion in the language of rule E?

"E: I have been getting a lot of requests for ships from Knights of the Old Republic and Star Wars: Galaxies. I dislike virtually every Star Wars computer game rather intensely, and have got a little sick of these, so be aware that any request for a ship from a computer game will be declined."

No, no confusion in the rule at all. I was simply asking for a deckplan that was severed from all links to the game. Thats what I was leaning towards when I said change the name, make it a courier, etc.

I like the way the hull looked and wanted to see what form of deckplan could fit inside. But if it is a personal choice to disregard any ship (empty hull or not) from a game then I suppose its not worth arguing.

Diji

Ok, ignoring the VT-49 (I think I have enough info based off of your previous work here that I could extrapolate a possible deckplan to model the interior of my hull)... I would like to present a new request. The Maka-Eekai L4000 Transport This ship looks very interesting to me. Wookieepedia presents a deckplan, but Its very oddly layed out, and I think its interior could be optimized by Admiral's work... Not to mention I am not sure of the listed length of 60m. Anyhow, if you are up to it... Id appreciate it.

Diji

I'll have a proper look in the morning, but I'd point out that at the listed size it'd be a green scaled ship.

I have, mind you, been giving serious thought to redoing the green scale, bringing them up from 6.5 to 10, so maybe.

Green scale or not, It looks interesting enough to warrant a through look at its interior.

Yeah, the floorplan of the L4000 looks terribly awkward. I mean, stairs? Really? Right through the center of not one, not two, but all three cargo bays? And the placement of the stairs on the upper deck is terrible... at the front end the stairs run right into a bulkhead, leaving no room to cargo to the deck.

One turbolift would solve so many little problems.

Well, I'd always thought that the "stairs" were ramps with some sort of No-Slip pattern on them, and the L4000 has two lifts; one in the dining/galley area, and one in the aft of the cargo areas. I'm not quite sure what you mean about the upper stairs though.

I would like to request a deckplan for the Drexl Class Gunship its a ship my friend KavinVeldar made for me on deviantart If you would like to know the specifics contact me. Your time is greatly appreciated =)

As a general rule of thumb, sending a request via my contacts page and then again on the Forum is only going to annoy me.

On the specific subject, the doodle you sent me was absymal.
- There's no cohesion of styles, poor line work and entire systems which are physically unconnected.
- Whomever assembled it has clearly go no concept of the third dimension, there are virtually no component which can possibly fit as depicted.
- It seems that the doodle was assembled by simply cutting and pasting lots of pieces from other designs, many of which are familiar from Wolf's Shipyard.
So, in brief, even were I inclined to do so, it would be simply impossible.

It was also perhaps the most gratuitous example of munchkinism I have ever seen. I count twenty five separate weapons in ten units and that's just the dorsal view.
Even a fairly cursory browse through this forum ought to give one a fairly good idea exactly how much I like munchkinism.

Sorry, My intention was not to annoy or piss you off. I was simply just asking a favor it doesnt have to be a quality deckplan it just has to make some sort of sense for the ship. and my reasoning for all the guns is that for one it's mandalorian (Thus meaning heavily armed "most of the time") and second of all it escorts very imporant people. My only intention was to acquire some sort of a deckplan for this ship i'm sorry to have wasted your time. If there is any chance you could come up with a deckplan for this ship me and my GM would be greatly appreciative but if not thats ok to.

Hi!

I'm soon going to master a Gurps Campaign in a space setting. For this reason I would need some deckplans of a ship i will give to my players. But i dont know how to do it. I just wanted to ask you here how you design all the ships on the main page? Wich programs do you use and are they freeware? Where can i get them?

Would be very kind if you could help me.

Greetings from Austria
Wernern

Well, aside from Kirijama's gallery all the ships here are by me. I use MS Paint, and PhotoHouse 2 for a little shading.

How about doing the SFS Light Patrol Ship. There are some great source pics for it in two of the West End Games books. First, is a great side view of it in Pirates & Privateers. Second, there is a multi level layout in The Brak Sector campaign book. It would be a great ship to have a detailed deckplan of.

Unless someone subsequently screwed the pooch, there's no side view in P&P. The stat block is wedged in between the stats and illustrations for the CEC PB-950 and the Rendili Light Class.

The Brak Sector is one book I don't happen to own. If you do, do feel free to scan the relevant images and send them to me, I'd be happy to evaluate them.

If this is the ship in question:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Light_Patrol_Ship

There's a side shot there.

btw...that brings me to an interesting question about stats in the SWU...why is only length and tonnage listed but never general width or height?

does anyone have an idea as to why that is? I mean sure one can guestimate, but it just seems like a silly oversight of vital statistics.

There is a minor problem with P&P that the illustrations are scattered amongst stats and caps of lots of ships - there's no clear indications which is which.
If you have a look at that image's posting history it lists it as possibly belonging to the Light. However, it shows some CEC designs cues and the weapons systems shown sit more comfortably with the CEC PB-950, the stats for which are on the same page.

If the Brak source does show the same ship, I might be willing to work with it, but even then I'd be fairly convinced that whomever did the Brak work made the same original identification error.

With the stats, this comes down basically to the amount of work needed versus the utility of the stats to the average gamer. The vast majority of gamers ought there simply have no interest in the width or height, or even, really, the length. It's listed as a rough guide to size. The same would apply to the tonnage versus volume stats. If you only list tonnage, and ignore the volume requirements then you end up with a single stats that is used, which keeps the mathematics down to a minimum which is what most gamers want.

In the writing and illustration pool at WEG and largely at WotC actual stats are written up very much off the cuff and represent a tiny amount of interest - the writers like doing the capsules, as they're creative. Illustrators are commissioned to do work in some cases, they're given the amount of info needed to illustrate a given thing, so, if it were a ship they'd get the stats and caps. The costs of getting an illustrator is sufficiently high that in general they'd never send one back saying it was wrong. Either they'd change whatever was needed in the S&C to make it fit - So Bobo the Whipid trader becomes Bobo the Rodian trader, or they just ignore it.
Illustrators also send out work on an ad hoc basis, so Marshall Andrews has done, in his own time, eight drawings of ships and sent them in to see if WEG wants to buy them. WEG decide that they will, and they end up in P&P and get a cursory glance at by the writers who adapt a S&C entry, or just slap a ship drawing on regardless.

Doing it the way ship geeks would like would cost an immense amount of money - the cost per illustration would be much higher - it takes longer to do a three view ship than it does to do three ships in a single view, and the writers would have to work very closely with 'techy' illustrators, which I know for an absolute fact, they HATE doing. Writers like to keep things very loose as it allows more freedom to the end user, making ships 'locked down' constrains that. This is, incidently, one of the main reasons my work ethic and style is incompatible with the SWDA twins.

In any case, it's not an over sight, just a different viewpoint on what constitutes 'vital' in statistics.

Probably because in most cases the fluff writers had no idea how much volume their list of stats would actually require if converted into a practical model ship

As to why supply the length:

The stats are often accompamied by pictures, but pictures are never printed to scale. At least if you have a picture and a length you can see how big/small the ships are when compared to each other.

With the length, you can approximate the width from the pic.

The picture from the link is the Light Patrol Ship. The deck plans in the Brak Sector coicide with the side profile of that ship as soon as I get the chance this week I will scan them in and send them to you Admiral

I guess having only played with the Palladium system (prepares to dodge possible flying rocks), I'm used to having everything hashed out for me since that system is controlled quite tightly by Kevin Siembieda, the owner, creator, and chief writer.

Sure some of his stuff suffers from sardine can-ism, but if you butter up the equipment it all could fit.

Of course alot of the stuff in that system is not put on an intergalactic scale like Star Wars.

Thanks for everyone's opinion.

I'd be obliged if you'd say why you feel confident to state that categorically. There's no basis to do so on the evidence from the prime source.



Above is the complete relevant four page sequence that features the Light class. As you can see the Stats & Caps are terribly disjointed.

First we have the Law class, then the PB-950, Light Class, Light Corvette, Customs Frigate and the Guardian class. I've attached thumbnails of the Guardian and the Light Corvette to their relevant S&Cs. That leaves us with four ships, and three illustrations.

One might assume that the illustrations are at least in the same order as the S&Cs, but that can only be an assumption, WEG have not stuck with such a convention all the time.

There really is no way to determine how these pan out, but to me, the ship marked as B shows enough CEC design features to attribute it to the PB-950.
The ship marked as A fits the design styles of none of the ship builders subsequently listed, however, the weapons load out rules it out of contention for either the Customs Frigate or the Light class.
That leaves us with ship B being either the Customs Frigate or the Light class (green or gold). The S&Cs for green and gold describe very similar weapons systems, so that's no help. Moreover, it must be said, that B looks nothing like a normal SFS design - it has none of the grace and elegance typically associated with that manufacturer, and is missing the very large CRMS panels seen on every single SFS design to date. The only remaining factor that can be used is that B appears on the same page as the gold text, so it seems likely that the ship's illustration is of the Customs Frigate, not the Light Class.

Now, it may or may not be the case that the ship shown in Brak is the same ship shown as B, and that Brak then goes on to state that this is the Light class, but even in this case, it would represent a WEG illustrator taking an off-cuff guess and/or simply applying standard writers practice and using a ship illustration that already exists rather than commission an entirely new design.

As such, without new evidence to hand, it is my opinion that the ship is most likely to be the Customs Frigate, and that WEG have simply glued the wrong S&C.

I'm quite happy, in theory, to work up the ship, though it would be as the frigate. Getting the Brak plans would be extremely helpful in doing so.

Happy to oblige



Kirijama

Sterling work Kirijama.

Well, that's undeniably the same ship as 'B', whether not it's an error remains to be seen.

They've really gone a strange way with the top view. Not just that it's a really dodgy deckplan, typical of one of the dark eras of WEG.

That might now be rendered moot as I've spent the last few hours building up this;













One of the nice things about working in 3D is that you can shift the various design elements around until it starts to look sweet. Now, obviously this is just my opinion, but I rather like the way this one is turning out, but it'd be incompatible with the Brak Sector one.

Whilst I'm busy uploading renders I thought it might also be a good time to pop up a couple of WIPs I have on the bench, see if they interest.

Me Likey... some elaboration on this vessel would be awesome!!

Looks like a fast mover... like a fast courier, vip transport, or some kind of gunship.

anyhow... nice work thus far... I was a bit skeptical about the LPS, but your maquette looks nice... very nice!!

That's the Mindabaal.

Wow. Gorgeous! I like the second one too, especially if the wings fold up! It looks like it'd be FAST. What ship is it?

Conceptually it's a SFS shuttle with a bunch of bolt-on engine pods.
I'm not 100% sold on it, but you know, something I'm kicking around in the background.

Nice!! Thanks for the info. I was completely unaware of that ship. Looks cool, a personalized yacht company has many possibilities.

Hey Kirijama thanks for getting that scan to the Admiral. I have been on holiday and was unable to get it scanned in. The 3d looks good Admiral.

The Frigate is up here.

The Mindabaal is up here.